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Maqedoni, ilirët etiketohen në histori si kusarë dhe jo si paraardhës të shqiptarëve
31 Gusht 2011, 10:20Politika
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Komisioni Nacional për librat shkollor ka bllokuar nxjerrjen në dritë të librit shkollor të klasës së gjashtë në Maqedoni, për shkak të përmbajtjes mohuese dhe fyese për origjinën e shqiptarëve.
Problemi ka shpërthyer pasi në punimet e historisë së periudhës p.e.s, ilirët thuhet se kanë qenë popull kusarë dhe se ky fis nuk janë paraardhës të shqiptarëve.
Anëtarët shqiptarë të Komisionit Nacional kanë reaguar dhe janë bllokuar punimet për hartimin e librit që duhej të jetë i gatshëm për nxënësit e klasës së gjashtë në shkollat fillore që nga fillimi i këtij viti shkollor, informon agjencia e lajmeve INA.
Anëtarët maqedonas nuk kanë pranuar që ilirët të njihen si paraardhës të shqiptarëve, dhe se kanë kërkuar që ata të njihen si popull kusarë.
Lidhur me problemin krijuar janë informuar edhe ministri i Arsimit dhe Shkencës, Pançe Kralev dhe zëvendësministri Safet Neziri, mirëpo ata kanë paralajmëruar se do të gjejnë një zgjidhje të pranueshme, duke u bazuar në fakte historike.
Zoran Radiq, kryetari i Komisionit Nacional për librat shkollor është një nga kundërshtarët e mohimit të historisë shqiptare.
“Anëtarët shqiptarë kanë vërejtje se përse nuk nënvizohet se ilirët ishin fis shqiptarë, por unë pyes se ku shkruan kjo në histori ? Gjithashtu kanë vërejtje se përse është shkruar se ilirët kanë qenë kusarë. Por, më thuani se cili vend që ka dalje në det nuk ka pasur kusarë?”, ka theksuar për gazetën “Utrinski”, Zoran Radiq, duke theksuar se problemi duhet të zgjidhet në instanca më të larta.
Anëtarët shqiptarë janë të mendimit se kryetari i këtij komisioni të lartë që i takon komunitet serb duhet të shkarkohet nga detyra nga mosnjohja e gjërave elementare të lëndës apo për veprimet tendencioze. (INA)
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Hajde pretendim alla-shqiptar hajde!! Do thoni qe jane paraardhesit tane po do u beni dhe biografi te mire! Po late nam o skipetar. Po patjeter qe Iliret ishin kusare, grabites, plackites, pirate. Dhe nuk flitet per disa prej tyre, po per te gjithe se kjo ishte menyra e tyre e jeteses. Kete e thote historia e shkruar nuk jane hamendje. Per kete lloj sjellje te tyren ndodhen edhe dy lufterat punike nga perandoria romake.
Qe te dime parardhsit tuaj, car tipi majmuni je ti dreas?
Kusaret e Parges i ka deti shoke ;…………………………………………………………… I zene rob frengjit ,i zbresin ne toke …………………………………………………………… I shpien ne burg ,atje te kuptojne ……………………………………………………………. Se c’jane vargonjte ‘ e sa rende rendojne …………………………………………………… “CAJLD HAROLDI ” ….BAJRON (vargu 666 — 669 ,,,,,faqe 80 )
Andreas,
Kur Zoran Radiq nxjerr si argument se
“Por, më thuani se cili vend që ka dalje në det nuk ka pasur kusarë?”,
eshte mese normle se le dydhime, per te mos thene se eshte e qellimshme se historia e treguar prej tij eshte denigruese.
Si mund te pretendosh qe gjithe vendet qe kane det kane qene kusare si popuj dhe ata pa det, njerez te mire!? Greqia, Italia, Franca, Spanja…Amerika..Gjermania mos valle jane popull kusare gjithashtu? Perse nuk shkruan kete gje per historine e ketyre vendeve ky dijetari maqedonas?!
ore andreas pse zotnia cfare e ndien veten helen apo ilire -ju zotni do jeni ndonje epiriot i besimit ortodoks por me fakte historike alla bollano ose sllave shqipfoles—se helen kurren e kurres se jane vete helenet qe e kane lene te shkruar lezo pake herodotin apo homeri ka shume nejse e pranoj fqinjesine e mire edhe farefisnine me helenet por nuk pranoj brockullat e shqiptareve qe u kthyen ne greker moderne edhe te bardhen duan ta bejne te zeze -qe te mohoshe gjakun edhe veteveten eshte kulmi ja qe beka vaki natyrisht qe grekerit e vertete nuk jane budallenje qe ta kundershtojne se falas apo dhurate kush nuk e pranon por nuk eshte e drejte -lumi do rrjedhe ne favor te asimilimit apo te shqiptareve do e tregoje historia -del nje shtet kukell 10 vjecare si republika e Vardarit edhe bene histori alla serbe -pse nuk lezojne arkivat boterore do isha dakort po te shkruante keto gjera per shqiptaret -pse shteti shqiptare nuk reagon se ka frike eshte pune tjeter por nuk do te thote qe keto gjera jane e verteta se bota e dine te verteten -si per ceshtjen Came qe shkruajne amerikanet edhe gjermani e di edhe anglezi por heshtin se nuk ju intereson -nje dite do na beni sllave edhe sllavet do i beni ilire …?????
Mos perzie besimin ortodoks me absurditetin e atyre qe shkruajne ne nje forum.
Besimi i çdo kujt, ne çdo lloj feje nuk ka lidhje me kete, ata qe manipulojne masat dhe flasin ne emer te zotit po.
Besimi eshte diçka teper intime te individi qe nuk ka vende per komente, çdo kush ka te vetin, keshtu qe leri jashte fete dhe krahinat, se budallalliku dhe idjotlliku nuk kane as fe e as krahine e as nenshtetesi.
Qe je grek kjo dihet ,dhe te trillosh apo te genjesh prape kjo dihet se e keni ne gen , por t’ja keputesh si kau peles dhe ne te pranojme dhe injorancen tende kete nuk ta lejojme. Qe Iliret ishin lundrues te mire dhe te shpejte nuk ma kundershton dot dhe te ishe nje lundrues i tile medoemos qe edhe kusar do ishe se ashtu ishin koherat . A nuk ishin athinasit , kartagjenasit…etj kusare? Pastaj ç’jane keto luftra punike qe u shkaktuan nga iliret dhe lufta u be midis romes dhe kartagjenes o grek? Ne kete lufte hanibali e tundi nga rrenjet perandorine romake por ne fund roma me ne krye shipio afrikanin arriti ta mposhte hanibalin dhe ta digjte kartagjenen . Gjate kesaj kohe d.m.th kur roma ishte e rrethuar nga hanibali anijet pirate ilire sulmonin dhe plaçkisnin anijet romake saqe u be shume shqetesim per romen dhe kur romaket i kerkuan mbretit ilir te asaj kohe qe te ndalohej kjo menyre grabitjeje ai as i begenisi .Dhe menje here mbas fitores ndaj kartagjenes romaket sulmuan dhe pushtuan ilirine dhe nje nga demshperblimet qe roma i mori ilirise ishte dhe ishulli i korfuzit , meqe aty piratet ilir mbanin plaçken qe kishin grabitur ne vite. Leri teorite por ik bej adetin o grek i zi
Jam aq kompetent ne ate qe them sa me te njejten kompetence pranoj dhe gabimet. Po te lexoje me poshte do ta shihje. E pranova qe ngaterrova termin lufta e pare ilirike me ate punike. Per te tjerat, komentuesi qe edhe e vuri ne dukje gabimin tim, pranoi edhe vertetesine e tyre.
Per budallalleqe e teori jeni ju te tjeret. Duke filluar qe nga fakti qe Korfuzi nuk ishte ne duart e teutes po te Demetrios Faros, nje aventurier qe ndihmonte Teuten. Madje edhe romaket lane perseri ate ta administronte Korfuzin duke mare premtimin e tij qe nuk do te ndihmonte me teuten.
Do akoma histori reale o çam budalla? Pas vrasjes se Lucio Coruncanios roma dergoi ne kete lufte nje flote me 200 anije, 20000 kembesore dhe 2000 kavaliere. Ne krye te saj qendronin konsujt Gneo Fulvio Centumalo dhe Postumio Albino.
Kjo eshte historia e shkruar dhe jo pallavra shqiptaresh.
1 – Degjo o grek ti nuk eshte se u ngaterrove apo bere lapsus , ti bere GAFE kur the dy luftrat punike ( qe tani thua ilirike dhe nuk bie tuç, por nejse) se luftrat punike ishin tre.
2 – Po Demetër Fari nuk ishte ne urdherat e Teutes mor toç?
Po te lexosh librin Historia e Romes e ke te shkruajtur te zeze mbi te bardhe te gjitha ato qe une te shkruajta me siper . Biles romaket derguan ne iliri dy perfaqesues dhe njeri prej tyre e irritoi aq shume mbretereshe teuten sa ajo dha urdher qe ta vrisnin . Ky veprim irritoi shume romen e cila menjehere nisi sulmin ndaj ilirise ….etj. Lexo pak dhe do mesosh me shume o grek i zi.
Mos ja ve re dhe Ti , goce Eshte I lejohen gabimet Dhe emrin e ka shum exitues Andreà??..
Une nuk bera ssnje lloj gafe kur thashe dy sepse lufterat ilirike ishin pikerisht 2. LApsusin e emertimit kjo e verteton me se miri. Ndersa per te tjerat, je futur aq ne qorsokak saqe tani po perserit ato qe kam thene une me poshte. Me ndryshimin qe une flas me detaje, ndersa ti per çart duke mbivendosur koncepte. ME lart akome the qe romaket i moren korfuzin, nderkohe qe korfuzi ishte nen komanden e Faros i cili thjesht per interes te tijin bashkepunonte me piratet. Kjo vertetohet kur pas vdekjes se Teutes ai vuri nen tutelen e tij djalin e saj Pine dhe filloi vete te bente piratin duke pasur dhe mbeshtetjen e maqedonise.
çam budalla, ti as te kopjosh nuk di.
Andreas o zemer…
Andreas e di ti kush e ka ndertuar akropolin , ta them une Iliret Vetem kaq po te them ,lexo te mesosh mos lexo literature ku emri I autorit mbaron me _viç apo _ass lexo literature Europiane Apo Amerikane çfar thon per Iliret. Ja keta Kan qen Ìllyret=me Shqiptaret dhe Mos ha mut shume se ta bej me gjak.
History is who we are and why we are the way we are
Once More Time, The Royal Institute Of Sweden, The Most Prestigious Institution In The World Of Languages And Other Doctorates Along With Trinity College And Oxford, Has Published That The Albanian Language Is The Oldest Indo-European Language and the Albanians are the oldest nation in Europe.
The Albanian language has been determined to be the oldest of the European languages by DNA/genes studies at Stanford U.(Luigi Cavalli-Sforza). In addition it has been determined by radio carbon dating that the first Indo-Europeans came to the Balkans by way of Asia Minor and then propagated as agriculturalists throughout the continent taking three thousand years to travel that many kilometers, UK(Colin Renfrow). The Albanian language is thus the “Mother-Language” of all the European languages existing today. This explains why Albanians readily pick up any of the European languages and speak them without appreciateable accents.
(George Fred Williams 1914) – If we return to pre-history, before rhapsodic homer sang to goddesses and methodology heroes, before Greek language was written, one well known nation lived with the name of Pellazg. Albanians are the only ancestors who have the origins from this powerful prehistoric race. Recently has been established that Pellazg – et were ancient Ilirs. Albanian was the true language of Homer, as the Greeks have copied from rapsodian Pellazg their wealthy epos. Kujtim Shehu, Kacanik – translated from the book by Dhimitri Pilika “Pellazg – Our Denied Origin” who has completed an extensive research on the origins of Pellazg… more
Plasi syt o legen kush jemi ne Shqiptaret dhe kush je ti Grek po s’dite anglish
per anglisht andreu sdo tia ije fare,per te i gjithe rruzulli tokesor eshte greqi
Eeeee jo. Tani ja fute kot. Elenika, Elenika ! Nuku kuptojma ne vorio ipiret.
Andreas, idjot nqs e quan veten Helen, atehere ti je i kalnit Iliro-helen…pra te gjithe ballkani ka qene gadishulli Ilirik i ndare ne grupe te ndryshme. Ik o debil se u njohem kur vajtem ne Greqi gek mek nuk dinin nje fjale rreth historise, vec ato qe kishin mesuar nga kisha, dhe asgje nga librat…te pjerdhsha ne tru.
Andreas! Preardhjen tone Pellazgo-Ilire nuk e pretendojme,por po e themi me plot goje se:neve jemi Pasardhesit e Gjysherve tane Ilire dhe te Stergjysherve tane Pellazge.Kete e kane thene historiane me te mire,me rrang boteror dhe nuk presim te na tregoje nje palo historian sic eshte ky sllavi,Zoran Rad-ic! Per preardhjen tone “flet” arkeologjia se jemi pasarrdhesit e Pellazgo-Ilireve=SHQIPTARE.Dhe ja pse e themi kete:Nga Toponimet,Oronimet,Antroponimet,Eponimet,Etnonimet dhe te tjera,del se te gjitha sa jane zbuluar,nuk mund te deshifrohen ne ndonje gjuhe tjeter,por vetem ne gjuhen Pellazgo-Ilire(ose thene ndryshe SHQIPE).E pranon dikush kete te vertete ose jo,keto jane fakte historike dhe jo shpifje sic jane ato te sllaveve dhe te tjereve,qe jane munduar te shtremberojne dhe te fallsifikojne historine ballkanike dhe sidomos historine e popullit Shiptar.Gjuha Shqipe eshte ajo qe i ve vulen e preardhjes sone Pellazgo-Ilire=Shqiptare.Eshte kjo qe i tmerron Slavet dhe te tjeret dhe ndonje dite do te deklarojne se,edhe kete gjuhe,Shqiptaret e kemi”vjedhur’diku dhe “nuk” eshte e tyrja,mbasi po i sjell shume telash atyre qe kane shtremeruar dhe fallcifikuar historine!”C’pasuri e madhe dijesh e pret arkeologun kur toka Shqiptare te hape thesaret e historise se Pellazgeve……Eshte tragjedi tej cdo perfytyrimi qe kjo race e madhe dhe shume e lashte te katandiset ne kete gjendje,e cila meriton te quhet skandali i qyteterimit Evropian”ka thene George Fred William(1914).Kurse Z.Manjani e ka vleresuar Gjuhen Shqipe si,”Gjuhe e mrekullueshme qe i perngjan nje vendburimi te pasur ,mbi te cilin mjafton te perkulesh dhe te mbledhesh kokrriza ari Filologjik”.
For the Greek people the Pelasgians were the oldest people on earth. Their race seemed to them so archaic, so superior in concepts, so strong in will and deeds, so noble in mores, that the Greek traditions and poems attributed to all the Pelasgians the epithet of “divine”, dioi (Homer, Iliad, X. v. 429; Odys. XIX. v. 177; Eschyl, Suppl. v. 967; Dionysius of Halikarnassus, 1. 18, says that the Pelasgians from near Dodona were considered as saints, ieroi, and that nobody dared to go with war against them). This epithet meant people with supernatural qualities, similar to the gods’, epithet which they in truth had deserved for their moral and physical qualities.
The Greeks had lost long ago the tradition about when, how, and from where they had come to the lands of Hellada; but they had a tradition that before them another people had ruled over the land occupied by them, a people who had reclaimed the swamps, drained the lakes, created new courses for rivers, cut the mountains, connected the seas, ploughed the plains, founded cities, villages and citadels, had an inspiring religion and had erected altars and temples to the gods, and that that people were the Pelasgians.
“The popullar notion of the Greeks themselves that Albanians are the ancient Pelasgians may be after all not very far from the truth.”
“A branch of the Pelasgian people, the Arcadii, who inhabited the slopes and valleys at the center of the Peloponnesus, had the tradition that they had been on earth even before the moon had appeared on the sky (Apollonius Rhodius Argon. Lib. IV. v. 263-265; Ovid, Fast. Lib. II. v. 289). Regarding this important tradition, the scholiast of Apollonius Rhodius says: “It seems that the Arcadii have existed even earlier than the moon, as Eudoxus writes in his work Periodos. And Theodorus writes that the moon had appeared on the sky a little earlier than the war of Hercules with the Gigantes. Aristos of Chios and Dionysius of Chalcida say the same thing in their books about Origins” (IV. 264, in Fragm. Hist. Graec. III. 325, fragm. 4).”
“Jemi ketu ne vend tene
qe pa lere diell e hene”
The entire Macedonia, a country with great political ideals and ruler of the world in the times of Alexander the Great, had had in ancient times a Pelasgian population (Justinus, lib. VII. 1. 1).
Macedo, the national patriarch of Macedonia, appears in the ancient genealogy of the peoples from the Hem peninsula, as a descendant of Pelasg (Apollodorus, Bibl. lib. III. 8. 1). Herodotus also writes that the Pelasgians who dwelt in the region of Pindus were called Macedoni (lib.I. 56).
The ancient populations of Illyria were of the same nationality as the Macedonians (Appianus, Bell. Mithr. 55). The various tribes of this region, Liburnii, Dalmatii, Iapozii, Dindarii, Brygii, Byllionii, Taulantii, Dasaretii, Ardieii, Dardanii, etc, had Pelasgian names, mores and traditions.
100’000 % e sakte & right.
Qirje Andrea.
Keni te drejte NE shqiptaret nuk mund te pretendojme qe jemi pasardhes te Ilireve per shkak te dyndjeve barbare.
Ne kemi lidhje me Iliret po aq sa keni ju me greket e lashte, ku ju “greket e sotem” jeni gjysem afrike kusherinje te pare me turqit pak a shume jeni nje mix jevgjitesh dhe pederash.
Jasou qirje dhe respekte per sinqeritetin tuaj.
ti andreas shko pirdhu ne vendin tend.ka me kusare se sa greket keni vjedhur histroine e pellazgeve maqedonasit i quani greker.kur nuk ishin vetem nje 20 per qind.per ke histroi flet zotrote.per ate qe shkruan athina me beogradin.le ti hapi arkivat vatikani dhe e shohim se kush kane qene iliret me pellazget.historine e vertete botrore jo ate fallco qe mesojme sot.te gjitha enckilopedite botrore jane pak a shume te njetja vetem encklopedia greke edhe serbe jane ndryshe nga te tjerat.ju fluturoni me presh ne by.. te gjitha i beni tuajat.te gjithe hsitrorianet peredimore qe kane shkruajtur per origjine e shqiptareve thone qe jane pasardhes te ilirve vetem greku e serbi e kundershton.sdoni ne asnje menyre qe bota te na quaje ilire.
Ty te paska zene mallkimi i Alex Drastikos. …. “te behesh shurdh dhe memec, po jo per gjithnje! te ardhte goja aq papritur sa te mos i komandosh dot idiotesite qe ajo do te te nxjerri!….” hahahahahahah qenke misherimi i ketij mallkimi.
redaksia keni bere gabim//nuk eshte ashtu sic e keni shkruajtur//maqedonasit thone qeSHQIPTARET JANE KUSARE dhe pasardhes se ilirve//dhe perzotin nuk kan rrejte///pse nuk jane kusare nga te paret e vendit e deri me poshte?mos u nxeni//a ka me kusar se sali berisha 21 vite ????
qe iliret ishin kusare po e degjoj per here te pare ama qe sllavet erdhen ne trojet tona si barbarer kjo dijet boterisht e iliret per tu mbrojtur per te qene te lire mbase u kane rrembyer sllaveve me force gjene e tyre ne trojet e tyre . andreas nuk e di cfare rrace eshte sigurisht nuk eshte shqipetar ,te cilet jane me paqesoret me tolerantet qe kane ditur edhe te falin per interesa te medha te njerezimit ne fund po i them andreas kusaret e sateme
Pasi anijet ilire ishin bere nje problem i madh per Romen nga plackitjet qe rregullisht u benin flotave komerciale greke dhe romake ne adriatik, ajo vendosi ti dergoje Teutes dy konsuj Kajo Kornukato dhe vellane e tij. Keta i percollen Teutes mesazhin e Romes per ndalimin e plaçkitjes se anijeve. Teuta u pergjigj se ajo nuk mundej ta bente kete gje per dy arsye. E para se ajo nuk i komandonte te gjitha fiset ilire dhe e dyta sepse ata(iliret) nuk dinin te jetonin ndryshe. Atehere konsujt i thane Teutes se ne kete rast do te ishte Roma ajo qe do “ti mesonte” civilizimin ilireve. Teuta vrau vellane e Kajo Kornukatos dhe dergoi mbrapsht kete te fundit. Ky veprim beri qe nga brigjet e pertej adriatikut te nisej nje flote luftarake romake per ate qe historia do ta quente me vone lufta e pare punike(ndershkuese). Flota romake e theu lehtesisht ate te paorganizuar dhe pirate ilire dhe Teuta u dorezua. Roma i vuri kushtet qe asnje anije ilire nuk mund te kalonte poshte Lezhes dhe nuk duhet te dilnin ne det me shume se dy anije. I vendosi gjithashtu edhe nje takse qe Teuta duhet ti paguante Romes. Me kete mbyllet kapitulli i luftes se pare punike.
lufta e pare punike, meqe e ke me deshire ti filloj nga 264-241 dhe ishte midis romes dhe kartagjenes. gjithsesi historia jote eshte e vertete, problemi qendron ne mos njohjen e ilireve si paraardhes te shqipetareve. nuk ka problem nqs nje popull kishte te zhvilluar piraterine, asaj kohe nuk ishte ndonje gje e keqe, dhe sulmi nuk u be se plackieshin flotat komercale greke dhe romake por vetem ato romake se per greket nuk i rruhej shum, se ne ato caste po i pushtonte
E drejte! Lapsusi im. Flas per lufterat Ilirike dhe pikerisht per te paren ne pranveren e 229 p.k.
Ndersa per lidhjen me greket(qe sipas teje nuk i rruhej shume), kushtet e pasluftes ishin pikerisht keshtu:
“Teuta duhet te leshonte qytet greke dhe dalmate te kapura prej saj. Duhej te paguante taksen vjetore romes dhe te impenjohej qe asnje anije luftarake dhe jo me shume se dy anije tregtare te shtyheshin poshte Lezhes”. Ne shenje mirenjohjeje Athina e ftoi Romen ne Misteret Eulesiane duke e krahasur keshtu romen me qytetet greke.
ketyre antikapateve mendore ketu poshte, pergjigjiu ti te lutem.
Ajo qe ke shkruar me siper eshte versioni grek i historise mesa duket.Por kur eshte zhvilluar lufta punike, maqedonsit e greket lundronin neper bolet e barbareve dhe perseve.
Kjo historia e bordellove te greqise e miksuar me halet dhe by****t e serbise!
po pse nuk thyen qafen o vemje,cfare rrace e semure dhe e ndryre qe jeni plehra nga fillimi deri ne fund
E di Cfare I thon kesaj qe ke shrruar ti!!!!!
Tope tope o papagalos,
Tope tope o papagalos..hade ela terbohu hiqi breket siç te ka lezet…
Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyysh moj ndreq se me prishe fare…
Qe andreas eshte injorant historie, shihet… Lufterat punike ishin lufterat mes Romes dhe Kartagjenes, kurse fjala punike (latinisht Punicus) do te thote Kartagjenas, duke iu referuar origjines se tyre te lashte Fenikase.
Andreas, mos u merr me histori, merru me mire me buzuqe greke.
Mos ia vini fajin qirje Andreaqis. E ka fajin prifti i fshatit !
Jorgo Xaxiqi Andreas ku humbe mo? Po ik o i ngrate mer ndonje pension 300 euro dhe shit by…. .ne eladha. Keshtu e beni historine ju greket? Sa kam qesh,ikni ere pirdhuni langaraqet e Europes
Me ça ke qesh se nuk e morem vesh? Apo qesh se nuk qan dot? Kjo eshte historia qe mesojne nxenesit neper gjimnaze ne Itali. Tani ndihesh me pak budalla apo me shume?
Jo mor Andreass kjo Eshte historiqis Qe mosohet ne skoliqit e patridhes tende..
O Andreas a e ke mesuar ne shkollat Greke pse Sllavet Dhe ju Greket I urreni kaq shum Iirryret , a keni mesuar ju ne shkollat Greke Cfare thone gjermanet per Illyret e pranojne qe ata Jan pasardhes se rraces se paster Illyro- Arjane Dhe luftetar trima.. E ke mesuar ti Andreas Qe Lufta e Trojes ishte Luft ndermjet fiseve Illyre, 1400 B.C. Para se Hellenet te shfaqeshin ne Ballkan ne shekullin 8-7B.C besoj se kupton kaq matematik , mos u bej kaq naiv po me rreslist . Po flet Dhe shkruan gjuhen me te vjeter ne Europ mor trap nuk te Ben kjo Ty te jesh pak krenar,,, c’fare te them me une nuk te mjaftojn keto …
As nje kinez me tetevjeçare naten nuk flet kaq per çart ?
Ste pelqen c’fare te them, Grek je ste vjen mire ,,
Andreas mos u merzit seshte e thene te jesh dhe ti nga Iliria..
C’fare thone gjysherit nga Ethiopia a ke fol keto kohet e fundit,,
Pestu jaaaaa Apo mena
andreas , qe je malakas dukesh qe nga large , por po te shkruaj vetem mbase mbush pak [ nuk kam shum besim te them te drejten ] . Kur vendasit e ketyre trojeve jetonin , punonin , luftonin , vidhnin -veri c’far emri te duash , sllavet , se maqedonas nuk jan ata me sgje ne bot , akoma ishin neper shpella dhe gjuanin kafsh te egra ne stepat e largeta e te ftohta te rusis.
Ja dhe arixhinjete bullgare te maqedonise ,maqedonasit jane mutacion ballkanik,ne mbase kemi qene hajdute ,po jemi rac e paster.
Harxhoni komente duke u marr pas nje idioti patologjik qe kerkon vemendje me te gjitha kushtet dhe harroni temen per te cilen flitet.
Kto jan njerez te egjer nomad qe u dynden ne ballkan, moren emrin bullgar nga pushtuesit e tyre turq, humben gjuhen e tyre originale dhe sot flasin sllavisht dhe pastaj ndryshuan identitet nga bullgar ne maqedon me te cilet nuk kan asnje far lidhjeje. Pra nga magjyp nomad ndryshuan emrin, ndryshuan gjuhen dhe ndryshuan identitetin edhe kan ftyr te flasin me perbuzje per identitetin tone.
Po nuk kan faj kto. E kan mesuar mire se si ecin punet ne ballkan dhe po e vene ne praktik. Nuk ka rendesi kush ka te drej, rendesi ka kush eshte me i paftyri. Europa vet i ka ven keto rregulla. Veç Shqiptari mbeti gjithmon te ura.
Ja se si Tacito e pershkrun Perandorin Romake:
”Rubano, massacrano, rapinano e, con falso nome, lo chiamano impero; infine, dove hanno fatto il deserto, lo chiamano pace.”
Ne qofte se e shohim nga ai kendveshtrim te gjith popujt e botes pa perjashtim qenkan kusar. Me perjashtim qe disa jan magjyp nomad dhe kan marr identitetin e popujve qe masakruan dhe zhduken. E ketu me lind pyetja: perse greket nuk flasin greqishten e vjeter por nje gjuh qe s’ka lidhje?
Pse Greket e sotem nuk flasin greqishten e vjter??????
Shume domethenese kjo pyetje.. Me sa kam lexuar une nga autor te huaj Jo Shqiptar asgje e sotme Greke ska lidhje me Helenet e vjeter as gjuha as traditat as folklori asgje por per tju bere qefin grekeve po them 90 % e tyre sot eshte Epirote-Arberore-Shqiptare.
Sipas shkimeve me te vjetra ne bote ato te Homerit, Heredotusit Etj. Helenizimi I ballkanit ka nisur rreth shekullit VIII-VII p.k. Kur Helenet erdhen adoptuan kulturen dhe gjuhen qe gjeten nga pellazget ne ate Helene. E keqa ishte gjuha Helene flitej vetem neper pallatet mbreterore dhe me renien e Helenizimit u zduk edhe gjuha e ture.. Kurse gjuha qe flitej nga populli Ishte gjuha pellazge – illire-Shqiptare qe nga Helenet e asaj kohe quhej barbare, e pra kjo gjuh nuk vdiq se ky popull jeton akoma edhe kesaj dite qe quhet populli I Shqiponjave=Shqipetaret e sotem..
Pse nuk njihet sot ne bote as nje informacion pas dyndjeve Slave rreth shek.V-VI epokes se re pra mbas dyndjeve Bizantine nuk flitet me per keta HELEN si ka mundesi qe te zhduket nga faqa e dheut nje rrac kaq e fuqishmee ne bote per me shume se 1000 vjet nuk do degjohet me emri Helen po ne teritorin e Greqis se sotme deri ne mesin E viteve 1850 flitej me shume se 80 % arvanitika=shqipja epiriote.
Gabimi me I madh I Evropes Krijimi I Greqie falso me popullsi me shume se 80 % Sqiptare dhe deformimii I komplet I historis duke ju dhene nje kombi qe ska ekzistuar Kure Greqis nje lavdi se se meriton …
Kjo eshte 100% e verteta e pa kundershtueshme qe perballet me realitetin e sotem.
AMEN.
Te nderuar komentues. Ky Radic eshte serb, dhe kuptohet se ka urrejtje patologjike ndaj Shqiptareve.Por ajo qe mua me brengos eshte mosperkrahja qe kemi ne Shqiptaret e maqedonise nga shteti Shqiptar dhe instancat akademike shqiptare.Pse e them kete? Me vet faktin se Shqiperia e pranoi kete shtet pa asnje kusht, e ne anen tjeter greqia, bullgaria dhe serbia i mohojne nga dicka si kombin, gjuhen apo kishen, Shqiperia te gjitha keto ia pranoi blanko. Dhe ketu shihet arroganca dhe mosmirenjohja tyre.Prandaj them se ,,mire” na e bejne, perderisa kemi udheheqsa te paditur.
e drejte miku,ky sala jone e njohu i pari shtetin e ri fyrom pa asnje kusht per shqiptaret vendalli te dibres se madhe.
Historikisht, mbas Kastriotit, kemi qene koqe kandari prandaj na kane shkelur e na kane therur gjithmone gjitonet.
Shume e vertete Stalinsali, po vazhdoje me pyetjen, perse? kush eshte shkaku?
Hellenic Illyrian Tribes
The so called “Greek” civilization grew out of a welter of various Hellenic Illyrian tribal nations which had occupied the region from time immemorial or had entered from elsewhere at an early date. Not much is known of this complex group of interrelated peoples.
ÆTHIKES They lived in northern and northwestern Thessaly, on Pindos and Karvounia mountains, near the Peneios river. They were neighbours of the Athamanes and the Tymphaioi and were first mentioned by Homer. They were regarded by other Hellenic peoples as barbarians and thieves. Their towns were Metsovo and Malakasio (nowadays within the administrative division of Ioannina). They disappeared after the Roman annexation of Greece in the 2nd century BCE.
AGRÆOI They lived in the Agrapha Mountains, between the rivers Achelous and Agraphiotes. They called their land Agraea or Agrais. Important cities were Agrinio (capital city of the administrative division of Aetoloakarnania) and Ephyra.
They created their own kingdom.
Salynthios…………………………………..fl. c. 430 BCE
To the Ætolian League…
AKARNANES They lived in Akarnania, having arrived there from Argos. Their cities were Amphilochia, Amphilochikon Argos, Limnaea, Stratos, Oiniades, Anaktorio, Echinos, Aktio, Solion, Alyzea, Astakos, Phoitia, Medeon, Thourion, and Metropolis.
Alkmeon
Akarnan, with…
Amphoteros
The Akarnanian League…………………………….5th cent.
Allied to the Amphilochians
Allied to Athens………………………..5th cent.-391
To Sparta……………………………………391-371
To Thebes……………………………………371-300
To Epirus……………………………………300-273
Allied to the Ætolian League…………………..270-245
To the Ætolian League…………………………245-231
2nd Akarnanian League…………………………230-225
To Macedonia…………………………………225-197
Within the Roman State from 197…
Mnasilochos……………………………..190-189
ALMOPIA They were located northwestern Macedonia, nowadays adm.div. of Pella, between the rivers Loudias and Axios and between the regions of Eordaea and Pelagonia. The region was inhabited by few people, who were isolated – therefore it was one of the first regions occupied by Macedonia. The primary cities were Orma, Apsalos, Europos, and Notia.
Almopas
To Macedon
AONES Ancient inhabitants of Boeotia after the Ektines, regarded by other Hellenes as barbarians. They lived near Thebes, and came from Sounion (Attica) to Boeotia, together with Temmikes, Leleges, and Yandes.
Aon (Aonia – later called Boeotia – was named after him)
Defeated by the Cadmians
Afterwards they lived between north of Thebes and Lake Yliki.
APERANDOI They lived between the rivers Agraphiotes and Megdovas, to the Agrapha mountains, neighbours of the Agraeoi. They were an Ætolian sub-tribe.
ATHAMANES They lived in northeastern Epirus, on Tzoumerka mountains and in part of the administrative division of Trikala. They were regarded by other Hellenes as a semi-barbarian tribe. Important cities of this tribe: Argothea (capital city) and Theodoria.
Athamas
To the Corinthian League……………………c. 395-378
To the 2nd Athenian League…………………….378-
During the 2nd Sacred War allied to Macedonia
Opposed to Phocis 354
Opposed to Macedonia 323
Under the control of Macedonia
Alliance with Pyrros of Epirus
Theodoros……………………………………fl. c. 205
Amynandrus…………………………………..fl. c. 201
Formed an Athamanian League
ATINDANES They lived in the region between Chaonia and Dodoni, in northwest Epirus.
Allied to the tribe of Molossoi……………….c. 429
Allied to Rome………………………………c. 229
Allied to Macedonia…………………………225-221
To Macedonia……………………………………….205
AVANDES They lived in Euboea. They were a protohellenic tribe that came into Greece appr. 2100-1900 BCE. They had lived initially in Phocis (Avai) and some of them in Argolis, Sicyon, Epirus, and Asia Minor.
Avas
Elephinor
Chalkodous
After the Trojan war they colonized Illyria.
They disappeared after the Ionian invasion on Euboea…
BOEOTOI The region of Boeotia is northwest of Attica, nowadays one of the 52 administrative divisions of modern Greece.
Boeotus
Itonus
Hippalcimus, with…
Alector, and…
Areilycus
Leaders of the province during the Trojan war:
Peneleus
Leitos
Arcesilaus
Prothenor
Klonios
Three generations after the Trojan War the region was inhabited by the Boeotian tribe. They lived initially on the Boios mountain of Pindos, between Epirus and Macedonia. From there they moved to Arne between Thessaly and the Pagasitikos bay (till the end of the late Hellenic era). They claimed to be an Ætolian sub-tribe.
Boeotos
Opheltas………………………………..fl. 1150-1100
Xanthos
By the end of the monarchy, the tribe had colonized the whole region, by c. 950.
1st Boeotian League…………………………..525-480
This consisted of the city-states of Thebes, Koronea, Aliartos, Tanagra, Thespies, while Orchomenos and Plataea remained independent, and Eleutheres and Erythres went to Athens.
Allied to Persia…………………………490-479
2nd Boeotian League…………………………..479-447
3rd Boeotian League…………………………..447-387
Boeotia was divided into districts in this era. These were:
a.) Thebais (including the cities of Thebes, Knopia, Ogchestos, Potniae, Kalydna, Therapnae, Schoinous, Peteon, Teumissos, Glisas, Yla, Foinikis, Tropheia),
b.) Orchomenia or Phlegyandis or Andreis (Orchomenos, Askledon, Tegyra, Yettos, Achmones, Kyrtone),
c.) Chaeronea,
d.) Kopon (Kopes, Akraefnio),
e.) Levadeia,
f.) Koronea (Koronea, Alalkomemes, Tylfossion),
g.) Aliartia (Aliartos, Medeon, Okalea),
h.) Thespiki (Thespies, Eutrisi, Lefktra, Kerissos, Nisa, Askre, Ippotes, Thisvi, Korsies, Sifoi),
i.) Plataeis (Plataea),
j.) Tanagraea or Poimandria (Tanagra, Delio),
k.) Parasopea (Eteonos, Skolos, Ysies, Erythres),
l.) Tetrakomia (Phires, Aulis, Mykalessos, Arma, Eleion, Yrea),
m.) Anthedon (Anthedon, Isos, Salganeas),
n.) Larymna (Karsea, Ales),
o.) Oropos
4th Boeotian League…………………………..378-338
To Macedon…………………………………..338-245
5th Boeotian League………………………336-146
To Aetolia…………………………………..245-236
To Macedon…………………………………..236-146
To the Roman Republic…………………………146-27
6th Boeotian League…………………..146 BCE-3rd cent. CE
To the Roman Empire (dist. of Achaea 85 BCE)….27 BCE-395 CE
CHAONES Ancient protohellenic tribe with a Pelasgian root. They lived in Epirus, between the Keraunia mountains and Kalamas river, therefore the first name of Epirus was Chaonia. They were related the the Chaones of southern.Italy. Important cities: Vouthroton, Ilion, Foenice, Panormos, Ogchismos, Amandia, Antigonea
Chaon
They developed a system relying on an annual leader. By the 5th century they had combined to a large degree with local Thesprotean and the Illyrian peoples.
Allied to Ambracia against the Akarnanes……….428
Photios and…
Nikanor
To the League of Epirus……………………….232-170
To Rome…………………………………………170
DOLOPES An ancient Aetolian tribe, related to the Magnites. They lived in Acarnania, southern Thessaly, and Phthia. Their borders were Phthia and Aenianes (East), Eurytanes-Agraeoi (South), Amphilochia (West), Athamanes-Thessaliotis (North). Their capital city was Ktimeni; other important cities were Dolopeis, Ageiai, Menelais, and Ellopia.
Dolops
Ktimenes
To Phthia
Phoinikas
Allied to Persia during the Persian Wars
Opposed to Herakleia 420.
To Pheres 374
To Macedonia 344
Allied to Athens 323
To the Aetolian League
To Macedonia
Independent………………………………….189-174
DORIANS A major Hellenic group of closely related tribes or septs, the Dorians are regarded both in archeology and in legend as the conquerors of the Peloponessus. Initially they lived in the area near Mount Olympus, in the land of Doris. In the 12th century they began migrating southward, and three separate Doric tribes (Hylleis, Pamphyloi, and the Dymanes) settled in eastern and southern Peloponnesus, displacing the native Achaeans. The mythological account of this has it that these three groups were the descendents of three Herakleides (children of Herakles), Temenus, Aristodemus, and Cresphontes, who successfully recovered an inheritence lost to a cousin, Eurysthenes of Mycenae. They were a rather dour, plain-spoken, and harshly disciplined people – as their best-known branch, the Classic Age Spartans, personified greatly. The tension between themselves and the other great Hellenic people, the Ionians – who regarded Dorics as barely-literate, ill-mannered martinets – is at the heart of a great deal of Greek historical development.
Doros
Ægimios
Yllos
Colonization of the Peloponnesus………………from c. 1100
Afterwards the Dorians colonized Megara, Argolis, Laconia, Messinia, Aegina, Milos, Thera, Crete, Rhodes and Corinth.
DRYOPES Related to the tribe of Leleges, they were a barbaric tribe. They lived in the area between the mountains Oiti and Parnassus. They called their land Dryopis. Owing to Dorian pressure they evacuated their land and colonized Euboea, Karystos, Styra, Cyprus, Kythnos, Argolis (Asine, Nemea), Messinia, and Epirus. Main city: Drys.
Dryops
Melaneus
EKTINES The first inhabitants of Boeotea.
Ogygos
EORDAEA Ancient region (and tribe) in western Macedonia near the lake Vegoritis. Eordaea’s borders were Almopia-Lyngistis (North), Elimea (South), Imathia (East), Orestis (West). Inhabited during the late Bronze Age, the Eordoi were a proto-Hellenic, Indo-European that came to Eordaea appr. 2200 BCE. Nowadays there is the administrative division of Kozane. Main cities were Eordaea, Arnissa, Vegora and Kellas. Eordaea was the birthplace Ptolemy Lagos, the Macedonian general who gained the throne of Egypt.
Eordos
Destroyed by the Timenides of Macedonia
Allied to the Greeks during the Persian wars
EPEIOI A Pelasgian tribe in the western Peloponnesus, they lived in Elea, Pisatis, western Achaea, and the Echinades islands. Their cities: Vouprasion, Elida, Yrmine, Myrsinos, Olene, Dyme, Ephyra, Kyllene, Pylos, Aleisio.
Epeios
During the Trojan War there were 4 different kingdoms…
Polyxenos and…
Thalpios and…
Andimachos and…
Diores
Many conjoined with Kaukones and Ionians and lived in Achaea (the Larissos River district).
The Epeioi of Pisa combined with the Arcadians and dwelt lived in Pisatis.
Agorios
The remaining eventually melded with the Ætolians and lived in Elea; Elean sequence thereafter…
EURYTANES An Ætolian sub-tribe, they lived in the district of Karpenissi (today:capital city of Evritania), between the mountains Panaitolikon and Tymfristos. Their borders were Aenianes (East), Dolopes (North), Aperandoi-Akarnanes (West), Aetolians (South), Thestians (Southwest), Ofionians (Southeast). During the prehistoric era they had probably lived in Thessaly. Their capital city was Oichalia.
Eurytos
Allied to the Ætolians
From time to time to the Achaeans of Phthia, to Thessaly or to Macedonia
To Rome 146
GEFYRAEOI A non Hellenic tribe (Poinicians) They lived in Boeotia in the town Gefyra. Afterwards they moved into Attica It is claimed that they brought the alphabet into Greece. Homeland of Armodios and Aristogeiton, murderers of the Athenian tyrants Hippias and Hipparchus
IDONOI They lived in western Thrace, between the rivers Strymon and Nestos (nowadays there are the cities Drama and Zichne). Their land was called Idonis or Andandros. Important cities were Myrkinos (capital-city), Draviskos and Amphipolis.
Idoneus
Lykurgos
Getas……………………………………….fl. c. 500
To Persia during the Persian wars
IONIANS One of the great pan-Hellenic tribal groups. They lived initially in southwestern Thessaly, but at a very early date migrated south. Some of them remained in southwestern Thessaly and others moved to west Locris, Achaea and Pisa. Afterwards they colonized Attica and Asia Minor. They also extensively settled the Cyclades, Euboea, Corinth, Megara, Epidaurus, and by the end of the Mycenean era they were in Attica, Megaris, Epidaurus, Troezin, Kynourua and Achaea. Defeated by the Achaeans, Minyes, Phlegyes and Lapithes, they remained largely in Attica, some of the islands, and most especially in western Asia Minor, which became known as “Ionia”. They are to a large extent responsible for Greek literature, philosophy, and much Hellenic art (the Ionian dialect is the foundation upon which standard Classic Greek developed, which in turn gave birth to “Koine” (Common speech – the language of most of the New Testament), Byzantine dialects, and ultimately modern Greek. In acquiescing to Persian hegemony in Asia Minor during the 6th and 5th centuries, they earned the scornful contempt of the Peloponessian Dorians, who regarded Ionians as weak, compliant, mendacious, and very likely treasonous. It is this tension between the two groups which is at the heart of much of Greek historical development.
Ion
Partitioned into four sub-tribes: Geleondes, Oplites, Aegikoreis and Argadeis.
KIKONES They lived between the Evros river and the Vistonis lake. They came there appr. 1300-1200 BCE. Their cities were Xantheia, Maronea, Ismaros, Zone and Kyzikos.
Allied to Trojans
Euphimos
Mendes
Their capital Ismaros was conquered by Ulysses after the Trojan war
After the Mycenean era they disappeared as an identifiable people.
KRESTONES The Kristones lived in Krestonia a Macedonian district between Chalkidicia and the Strymon river. They were a Pelasgo-Thracian sub-tribe. Important cities: Antigonea, Xylopolis, Terpyllos, Karavia, Kreston.
To Mygdonia from 480 BCE
LAPITHES The main inhabitants of early Thessaly, together with the centaurs (Northern Pelasgia-Perraivia). Their main cities: Argissa, Gyrtone, Orthe, Elone, Olossoi. They colonized Perraivia. In the 10th cent. they built a lot of cities in other regions (Koronos of Koronea, Phaliros of Phalara, Elatos of Elateia in Arcadia, Boeotia and Phocis, Phorvas and Triopas in Rhodes).
Lapithus
Ypseus
Ixion
Peirithous
Kaeneas (his succestors were the Kypselides of Corinth)
Koronos (his succestors were the Phylaides of Attica) with…
Polypoites and…
Leondeus (during the Trojan War)
They were defeated by Ægimios, king of the Dorians…
LELEGES Prehistoric tribe, they were nomads.
Leles (from Laconia or Egypt)
They colonized the Cyclades islands, Asia Minor, Aetolia, Acarania, Megara (King Leles), Locris, Leukas, Euboea, Boeotia and Lacedaemon (King Eurotas)
Leleges from Sparta colonized Messinia (King Polykaon)
Leleges from Megara colonized Pylos (Messinia) and Pylos (Elis)
Leleges in Epirus were neighbors of the tribe of Molossoi
In Thessaly they succeeded the Pelasgoi
Evacuation of Ionia due to the Greeks 1200-1100 BCE
Altis (King during the Trojan war – allied to the Trojans)
After the Trojan war they inhabited Chios and Samos
Evacuation of Caria owing to pressure from the tribe of Cares
LYNGISTES They lived in Macedonia, in the Lyngystis Region (nowadays: Florina) and their capital-city was called Herakleia. An Illyrian tribe, they were neighbours of the Dassarites. Main cities were Herakleia, Kella, Vevi.
VAKCHIADES
Aeropos
Vromeros
Arrabaius……………………………………fl. c. 423
Argaeus……………………………………..fl. c. 391
To Macedonia appr. 338
MAGNITES They lived on Thessaly, in Magnesia, they were a Macedonian sub-tribe. Important tribe during the Neolithic, Bronze, Minoan and Mycenean ages. Their cities were: Mithone, Thaumakine, Melivoia, Olizon and Minyai.
Magnes
Prothous
Philoktetes and…
Medon (during the Trojan War)
Continued independence until the 6th cent.
To Thessaly…………………………….6th cent.-363
To Pheres……………………………………363-c. 342
To Macedonia………………………………c. 342-194
Founding of Demetrias, capital city of Magnesia 293 BCE
The Magnesian League………………………….194-171
Eurylochos………………………………….193
To Macedonia…………………………………171-168
To Rome – (within the Magnesian League)………..from 168
MALIEIS They lived in southern Thessaly, a Dorian sub-tribe. The Malians were partitioned into three sub-tribes: Trachinioi, Paralioi, Iereis. Their capital city was Herakleia and afterwards Lamia.
Within the Malis region (their land was named after them) from c. 1100
Malos
To the Amphictiony of Delphi……………..8th cent.- ?
Opposed to the Phoceans end 6th cent.
To Thessaly
To Sparta……………………………………427-c. 371
To Pheres…………………………………c. 371-370
To Thebes……………………………………370-343
To Macedonia…………………………………343-220
To the Ætolian league…………………………220
To Thessaly appr. 27 BCE
MOLOSSOI An Epirote tribe dwelling in the north, who succeeded in gaining control over all of Epirus in late Classical times. They were best known for a breed of huge war-mastiffs they used in military operations.
For their rulers, see the earliest (pre-Aeacid) leaders of Epirus. Molossus, their eponymous ancestor, was said to have been born of a union between Neoptolemus and Andromache.
Established the Kingdom of Epirus, 6th or 5th centuries ?
Epirus to the Aeacid dynasty 395.
A League of Molossoi formed c. 300, within Epirote and then Roman jurisdiction.
MYGDONES A Thracian tribe living in southern Macedonia between the rivers Axios and Strymon, in northern Chalkidicia, near the Thermaikos Gulf. Their cities were Therme, Sidos, and Chalestri.
To Paeonia………………………………..to the 350’s BCE
To Macedonia thereafter…
OETAEOI They lived on the mountain Oeti in southern Thessaly and in the 5th century in the valley of Aspos river. Important cities: Antikera, Anthile, Herakleia, Trachis.
Opposed to Dorians and Trachineans
Formed the Oeteanid League
To the Aetolians……………………………..280-168
To the Achaean League…………………………162-146
Free and independent for a time; then…
To the Thessalian League thereafter…
ORESTES They lived in Epirus in their land called Orestis, which was part of Molossia. They inhabited the northern and northwestern borders of Greece between the rivers Aous and Achelous. They claimed to be successors of Orestes of Mykenaea. Important cities were Orestia and Argos Orestikon.
To Macedonia
To the Orestian League of Orestes within Roman hegemony
To the Roman district of Macedonia
PAETOI A minor tribe living in the region called Paetike. Their most important city was Zerenia.
To Persia and against the Greeks during the Persian wars appr. 500-480
To Macedonia, 336
Against the Persians 334
PELASGOI An Indo-European tribe, that came into the Hellenic region appr. 3000 BCE. They lived in western Thessaly and Epirus. Afterwards they colonized not only Argolis and Arcadia, but also some of the Aegean islands, Attica, Crete, Ionia, Achaea, Phocis, Phthiotis, Euboea, Kristonia and Sicyon.
Pelasgos
Chloros
Most of them disappeared after the end of the Mycenean era, but some Pelasgian communities survived till the beginning of the 5th century BCE in Kristonia and Propontis.
PERRAIVOI They lived in northern Thessaly, initially in the district of Istiaiotis. Their cities were Gonnoi, Olousson, Phalanna, Doliche, and the Perraivean Tripolis (3 cities) consisting of Azoros, Polichna, and Pythion.
Triopas
Karkavos……………………………………..c. 1500 BCE
Gouneus (during the Trojan war)
To the Amphictiony of Delphi
To Larissa
To Archelaos of Macedonia
Defeated by the Aetolian League……………………199
Members as free tribe in the Delphian Amphictiony……196
They created a Perraivean League……………….196-191
To Macedonia…………………………………191-185
THE SEA PEOPLES Students of European history will be familiar in a general way with the phenomena of the devolution of Classic cultures, the swarming forth of innumerable barbarian tribes, and the subsequent emergence of the so-called “Dark Ages”, together with the slow re-emergence of a vibrant civilization in the Mediaeval and Renaissance eras. Such a model is an oversimplification of what occurred, but it is valid at least in broad descriptive outline. What is perhaps less well recognized is that such a pattern has happened, albeit on a smaller scale, before. Before the 1200’s BCE, the Eastern Mediterranean played host to a variety of sophisticated civilizations. For a variety of reasons, the 17th to 13th centuries BCE saw a general retreat, one which did not begin to reverse itself until the 9th century BCE (leading to the eventual flowering of Classic-Age civilization by the 5th century). One important factor in this process was the sudden emergence of a group of barbarian tribes known collectively as the Sea-Peoples. These raiders critically damaged the ancient civilizations of Greece, Anatolia and Syria, and seriously threatened the southern Levant and Egypt. The origins of these peoples are unknown, though it is believed that they emerged from the Aegean and may have been Minoan or Greek in origin. They referred to their own homeland as Ahhiyawa, which seems to be related to the word Achaean. The Hittites described their home as an island near Milawanda (Miletos, on the Ionian coast); which may refer to Rhodes, while the Bible describes their origin-point as Caphtor, which is believed to be Crete. They were technologically and artistically sophisticated, being one of the first groups in the Levant to use iron weapons. The following is a list of the documented Sea Peoples, and what linguists and archeologists believe about their origins and eventual fates…
DANYA / DANNUNA They have been identified with the Danaoi, mentioned in Homer’s Iliad; another, far-fetched explanation is that they are related to the Gaelic Celts (Danaan). Some historians and archeologists have suggested that the Danya invaded Canaan in alliance with the Philistines but then joined the Israelite tribal confederation as the tribe of Dan. The original territory of that tribe bordered Philistia, and the Philistines seemed to bear a particular grudge against the Danites, who eventually relocated to the Galilee.
EKWESH This name is very similar to the Hittite name for Greeks (Acheans). Very little is known about them.
LUKKA These are believed to have hailed from Lycia, and probably returned there after several unsuccessful invasions of Egypt.
PELESHET These are the Philistines who settled in the southern coast of Canaan and established the pentapolis of Gaza, Gath, Ekron, Ashkelon and Ashdod. They may have invaded Canaan originally in alliance with the Israelites, who settled in the inland areas, but any collegiality quickly disappeared if Biblical records are anything to go by. The name Palestine, given to Judea by the Romans after the Jewish Wars, is believed to be derived from Philistine, although some scholars have suggested that it actually (ironically) comes from a derogatory Greek epithet for Jew.
SHARDANA Formerly, it was thought that this people migrated out of the Hellenic region, crossed the central Mediterranean, and conquered Sardinia, which still bears a variant of their name. Recently though, it has been suggested that the migration was in the opposite direction – that they were aboriginal inhabitants of Sardinia who traveled eastward into the Hellenic littoral.
TJEKER / SHEKELESH The Tjeker are of uncertain origin, but they raided Egypt repeatedly before settling in northern Canaan. They may originally have been the Teucri, a tribe inhabiting northwest Anatolia around Troy. They conquered the city-state of Dor and turned it into a Tjeker kingdom. They are one of the few of the Sea Peoples for whom a ruler’s name is recorded – in the papyrus account of Wenamun, an Egyptian priest…
· Beder (Prince of Dor)……………………mid 1000’s BCE ?
· Dor fell to King David of Israel in the 990’s, and the Tjeker are not mentioned after that date.
Besides the Dorite Tjeker, some scholars believe that the Tjeker may have been connected in some way with the Israelite tribe of Menasseh.
TYRSENNOI May be related to the Etruscans, since their name is similar to Tyrrhennoi, the Etruscans’ name for themselves (hence the Tyrrhian sea).
WESHESH Their origins are unknown, though there is some evidence that they may have come from the area of Caria. Some have theorized that they, like the Danya, became part of the Israelite confederacy (as the tribe of Asher).
TEMMIKES A barbarian tribe living in Boeotia before the Cadmians and the Boeotians. They came to Boeotia along with the Aones, Leleges, and Yandes.
THESPROTIANS Their region was called Thesprotia. Nowadays Thesprotia is one of the 52 administrative division (nomoi) of Greece (capital-city: Preveza). They lived in Epirus between the Amvrikikos Bay and the Kalamas river and between Pindos mountains and the Ionian Sea.
The first inhabitants………………………………………….Early Bronze Age
Beginning of the middle Hellenic period the region had been inhabited by the tribes of Elopes, Greacians, Kassopaeoi, Dryopes, Dononians. They moved and colonized afterwards Ithaca, Leucas, Akarnania
Partial colonization of Thessaly and S.Greece 12th-11th cent.
Thesprotos
Kallidice
Isolated until appr. 730 BCE
South Thesprotia was occupied by Eleans 7th cent.
Allied to Corinth…………………………… ? -5th cent.
Allied to Athens and the kingdom of Molossoi…….415-404
Occupation of Kassopaea, Dodoni, East Thesprotia by Molossoi after 400 BCE
To the 2nd Athenian league…………………….375-c. 350
The Thesprotian League middle 4th cent. (cap-city: Elea, afterwards Titane)
To Macedonia…………………………………343-300
To the League of Molossoi…………………………300
To Macedonia…………………………………300-220
To the Epirote League…………………………220-167
To Epirus……………………………………….167
The Thesprotian League……………………167-148
Assigned as a district of Macedonia within Rome….148-27
Assigned as a district of Achaea within the Roman Empire from 27 BCE
The Thesprotians were divided into many sub-tribes: Aegestaeoi, Dodonians, Eleaeoi, Elinoi, Ephyroi, Ikadotoi, Kartatoi, Kestrinoi, Klauthrioi, Kropioi, Larissaeoi, Onopernoi, Opatoi, Tiaeoi, Torydaeoi, Fanoteis, Farganaeoi, Fylates, Chimerioi.
Their main cities were Ephyra, Chimerion and Torine.
VISALTES They lived in Macedonia, east of the Mygdonia region, between the Volvi lake and the Strymonas river
Their cities were: Verge, Euporia, Kalliteres, Oreskia, Visaltia (capital-city). Before the 5th cent. Visaltie and Kristonia had a common history
Mosses……………………………………c. 500-480
Demetrius……………………………………fl. c. 450
Vastareas……………………………………….c. 350
To Macedonia…………………………4th cent. to 179
Part of Mygdonian territory (within Macedon and then Rome) from 179…
VISTONES They lived in the Rhodopi district to the Aegean sea, near Abdera. Their land was called Vistonea and it was between the Kikones and the Sapes regions.
Vistonas
Orpheus
Diomedes (during the Trojan war)
YANDES Proto-Hellenic tribe inhabiting Boeotia alongside the Aones, Leleges, and Temmikes. They lived near Thebes, and in later times colonized East Phocis (building the city of Yambolis), West Locris, and Aetolia.
,,,,e dine ata te shtepise tende,diagnozen tende!!!!????? dhe po qe se nuk e dine,kjo eshte FATALE!!!!!!
hahahaha he re turkofagos,a e lexove te gjithe apo tu duk e gjate?
Jasu re tourkofagus…te pershendes me kete kengen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjbJEngboO4
hahahaha turkofagos se mos bo gabim ti biesh kesaj videos ne youtube ketu me siper,se do pendohesh hahahahhahaahahahahaahahhaha
hahaha,,,e kam ne metode pune,qe nuk shikoj kurre youtb.e te tjereve,kshq nuk paraqet problem per tu shqetesuar.
More vesh gje ca tha tourkofagos, se as vete nuk e kuptoi, por mesa kuptova sipas se qeshures e paska pare, por nuk ja ka qejfi te komentoj mbi videon!
Hellenic Illyrian Tribes does not exists anywhere on the internet as an accepted historical concept.In all texts and historical scientific research this concept is not used since illyrian tribes was different in language, lifestyle, naming and culture. However they did have some common things that the illyrian tribes took from their neighbors.
This term, Hellenic Illyrian Tribes, was developed by the new greeks to backup their claims over the south of Albania and today northern greece. Even in the ancient texts and even in the above text is clear that the land of macedonia, northern greece, south and north albania, the land of kosovo and montenegro were inhabited by tribes which the hellenic themselves considered barbarians, so non hellenic.
Worldwide this tribes today are known as Illyrians. The term Hellenic Illyrian Tribe is a nonsense created recently to backup the claims. Hellenic tribes lived in Asia Minor, greek islands and greek coasts. They were pushed inland by persian invasion.
Ky po qe eshte oksigjen per shkencen ?
Ky mesazh i drejtohet torkofagos dhe Andreas, i te gjithe atyre qe deshirojn te shkeputen
nga miopia dhe propaganda qe jo pa qellim jan ushqyer aty. Do Ju Lutesha te tregoheni te sjellshem dhe ne vende te fjaleve shterp dhe fyese,te mund te kundershtoni me argumenta.
A eshte gjuha simboli i nje kombi?
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«??? ????? ?? ??????? ????? ?????? ?? ??? ??????? ??? ???? ??????? ??????????» (??????????, «???? ??????????, ??????», 3.).
«…??????????????? (? ??? ?????) ?? ?????? ??? ??? ?? ?? ??? ??? ???????… (…) ??? ????? ??? ???? ??? ??? ???????? ??? ????? ? ??? ?????? ?’ ????, ???? ?????? ??? ???? ???. ??????? ??? ???????????? ???? ???? ???????????, ?????? ????????? ??? ?? ??????? ????? ??? ?? ????????? ?????? ??? ????????? ??? ????????. ? ??? ???? ???? ??? ??????? ??? ??? ??????. ??????? ???????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???????? ????????? ?????????? ?? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ??? ????» (??????, «???????», 23e & 24c).
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«?? ??? ??? ?? ??? ???????? ????? ????????? ?? ???????????? ?? ???????, ??? ??? ???????? ????????? ?????» (????????? ? ?????????????. «??????? ???????????» ? 17).
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«????? ????? ??? ??????????? ??? ???? ???? ??? ???????? ????, ??????? ?? ???? ?? ????? ??????????» («?????????????», ?????? XII, ?????? 7).
«??? ? ?????? ???? ??? ??????, ??????? ??? ????????? ??? ?????? ??? ????????, ? ????????, ? ??????????? ??? ????…» («?????????????», ?????? XII, ?????? 611).
«??? ?? ?? ???????? ????, ???? ???? ??? ??? ??? ????????? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ??? ?? ???;» («?????????????», ?????? XIII, ?????? 268).
???? ??? ? ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ??????? ???? «??????» (? 233-234) ?? ???????? ??????????? ??? ????? ??? ???:
«??? ??? ???????? ?????????».
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«?????? ??? ? ???? ??? ????? ????? ??? ??????????? ?? ??????????? ??? ????? (?????? ??? ?? ?????, ????????) ?? ???????????, ?? ??????, ??? ?? ??????? ??? ?? ????? ???????» («??????????», ??, VI, 8).
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????? ?????????? ????? ??? ?? ??????????? ??? ???????? ? ??????????? ??????? ?? ??? ?????????? ??? ?????? ??????? ???? ??? ?? ??????? ??? ????????. ? ????????? ????????? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ??????? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ??? ???????:
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hahahaha,efxariminderit por nje sqarim me te sakt,mund te jepte mega historiania shqiptare,Elena Kocaqi,,,,,,,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I vure re pergjigjet e torukofagos dhe te Andreas, mbasi moren shume pergjigje qe nuk i kunderpergjigjeshin dot me fakte, filluan te shajne, njesoj si vellezerit e tyre turq kur kerkonin te nderrojme historine.
re esy file,ku e shikone sharjen time,me cilin sy,me ate te operuarin!!!!?????
qe te shkruaj dikush,apo te jape nje version per historine,nuk do te thote se ai eshte absolutisht i drejte dhe i pakontestueshem.
z. Frasheri aq di aq shkruan !
Kjo femerushja greke me Andrea(i ka shtuar nje “s” po edhe me dhjete nuk e fsheh dot perkatesine gjinore), lexon, perkthen(aq sa di…)neper Internet edhe ngjit ketu ne Tema, duke kujtuar se ka te beje me leshko. Po ik moj t’u mbyllte se s’ka ngelur shqiptari t’i kerkoje historine e origjinen nje zezak Egjipi si ti dhe ata dhenduret e tu te Peloponezit!
Kolaqe e dashur, shpelaje mire e mire gojen perpara se te flasesh per historine tone!
Po Shqiptare,akademike e intelektuale a ka ne Maqedoni apo jane kthyer ne dashnore te Maqedonasve,kesaj rrace te neveritshme hibritesh.Po ne Shqiperine e leshit Meme a ka historine e politikane ,pos popullit patriot qe te merren ndonjehere me kete komb te felliqur qe mban emrin Maqedonas padrejtesisht e qe jane sperma e prishur e bullgareve.Apo dhe keta ne shqiperi jane enuke epederaste.Mjere ne ku arritem,vetem popullit i dhimbet shqiperia dhe shqiptarizma.